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		<title>By: Conscription and...the draft - Personal Development for Smart People Forums</title>
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		<dc:creator>Conscription and...the draft - Personal Development for Smart People Forums</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 15 Dec 2007 21:52:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Originally Posted by AlmostGone   I find it interesting that you possess the compassion you claim. If I may ask, why wouldn&#039;t you kill Nazis during WWII? I understand non-violence when possible. But Nazi Germany was killing Jews as fast as it could. Indiscriminately killing men, women, and children who committed the crime of being a Jew.   Do you not acknowledge the existence of evil? I don&#039;t think the millions of your faith who were slaughtered like livestock were victims of some misunderstanding. They saw the face of evil, the Nazis of 20th century Germany.    Men are not evil, though they may commit evil acts. There is humanity in everyone. Yes, even killers. Doesn&#039;t mean I condone killing, but I would never say a person is evil because that would be incorrect.  You&#039;re saying that I am not compassionate if I refuse to kill people? Wow, that&#039;s a new one. Not sure I can wrap my head around it.  Killing in retaliation for killing does not bring peace. How does that saying go? &quot;Fighting for peace is like screwing for virginity.&quot; You can&#039;t fix the problem by becoming part of it.  Oh there&#039;s another bumper sticker I love. &quot;Why do we kill people who kill people to show that killing people is wrong?&quot; And yeah, I oppose the death penalty. Here is my take on that:  Why I Deplore the Death Penalty    __________________ Erin Pavlina Psychic Medium, Author, Speaker, Blogger, Wife to Steve Pavlina  &quot;Erin&#039;s reading was unbelievably insightful. In just 20 minutes she helped me sort through 4 major areas of my life that I&#039;ve been struggling with in therapy for more than 8 years! I was stunned. I&#039;m truly amazed at her abilities, and I am so thankful I found her when I did.&quot; - Jeanette in Tulsa, OK [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Originally Posted by AlmostGone   I find it interesting that you possess the compassion you claim. If I may ask, why wouldn&#8217;t you kill Nazis during WWII? I understand non-violence when possible. But Nazi Germany was killing Jews as fast as it could. Indiscriminately killing men, women, and children who committed the crime of being a Jew.   Do you not acknowledge the existence of evil? I don&#8217;t think the millions of your faith who were slaughtered like livestock were victims of some misunderstanding. They saw the face of evil, the Nazis of 20th century Germany.    Men are not evil, though they may commit evil acts. There is humanity in everyone. Yes, even killers. Doesn&#8217;t mean I condone killing, but I would never say a person is evil because that would be incorrect.  You&#8217;re saying that I am not compassionate if I refuse to kill people? Wow, that&#8217;s a new one. Not sure I can wrap my head around it.  Killing in retaliation for killing does not bring peace. How does that saying go? &quot;Fighting for peace is like screwing for virginity.&quot; You can&#8217;t fix the problem by becoming part of it.  Oh there&#8217;s another bumper sticker I love. &quot;Why do we kill people who kill people to show that killing people is wrong?&quot; And yeah, I oppose the death penalty. Here is my take on that:  Why I Deplore the Death Penalty    __________________ Erin Pavlina Psychic Medium, Author, Speaker, Blogger, Wife to Steve Pavlina  &quot;Erin&#8217;s reading was unbelievably insightful. In just 20 minutes she helped me sort through 4 major areas of my life that I&#8217;ve been struggling with in therapy for more than 8 years! I was stunned. I&#8217;m truly amazed at her abilities, and I am so thankful I found her when I did.&quot; &#8211; Jeanette in Tulsa, OK [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Phil Mann</title>
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		<dc:creator>Phil Mann</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Oct 2006 13:25:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have enjoyed your site Erin. How can you be sure that to die at the hands of another in the act of murder is indeed premature? You have reinforced your view that we all decide when it is time for us to pass, &amp; that it is left to the universe to determine how after we have determined when. perchance the act of murder is not premature at all? perchance it is just another method of &quot;going home&quot;, as effective as a car accident or heart attack? as terrifying as the concept is, how are you differentiating the cause?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have enjoyed your site Erin. How can you be sure that to die at the hands of another in the act of murder is indeed premature? You have reinforced your view that we all decide when it is time for us to pass, &amp; that it is left to the universe to determine how after we have determined when. perchance the act of murder is not premature at all? perchance it is just another method of &#8220;going home&#8221;, as effective as a car accident or heart attack? as terrifying as the concept is, how are you differentiating the cause?</p>
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		<title>By: George Wiseman</title>
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		<dc:creator>George Wiseman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Aug 2006 17:45:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Erin, God bless you for your view on the death penalty which is so right on.  Among my friends I am in the minority with my views on this but I am absolutely certain that it is WRONG to condone killing a human being in any way, shape or form.  And it&#039;s simply illogical to to think you can justify executing someone even if they&#039;ve murdered someone else.  Simple formula:  Killing = WRONG.  End of story.  Regardless of who does the killing, whether it be an individual or the state, and whether it be executing one person and calling it &quot;capital punishment&quot; or killing mass numbers of people in a war, which is mass murder, it is all equally wrong.  This seems simple to me but apparently not to everyone.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Erin, God bless you for your view on the death penalty which is so right on.  Among my friends I am in the minority with my views on this but I am absolutely certain that it is WRONG to condone killing a human being in any way, shape or form.  And it&#8217;s simply illogical to to think you can justify executing someone even if they&#8217;ve murdered someone else.  Simple formula:  Killing = WRONG.  End of story.  Regardless of who does the killing, whether it be an individual or the state, and whether it be executing one person and calling it &#8220;capital punishment&#8221; or killing mass numbers of people in a war, which is mass murder, it is all equally wrong.  This seems simple to me but apparently not to everyone.</p>
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		<title>By: Erin Pavlina</title>
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		<dc:creator>Erin Pavlina</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 May 2006 05:02:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I may discuss abortion in a future entry.  It certainly polarizes people, doesn&#039;t it?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I may discuss abortion in a future entry.  It certainly polarizes people, doesn&#8217;t it?</p>
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		<title>By: Forrest</title>
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		<dc:creator>Forrest</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 May 2006 00:09:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree with your assesment of the death penalty for essentially the same reasons.  I do have one question, however: what is your opinion on abortion?

I find it interesting that many people can be in favor of or against one, and maintain the opposite position with regard to the other.  To me, ending life is ending life and consequently both abortion and the death penalty are wrong.

I do consider myself to be open-minded in that I will listen to and evaluate any position, so I am interested in any comments you may have.

Thanks.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree with your assesment of the death penalty for essentially the same reasons.  I do have one question, however: what is your opinion on abortion?</p>
<p>I find it interesting that many people can be in favor of or against one, and maintain the opposite position with regard to the other.  To me, ending life is ending life and consequently both abortion and the death penalty are wrong.</p>
<p>I do consider myself to be open-minded in that I will listen to and evaluate any position, so I am interested in any comments you may have.</p>
<p>Thanks.</p>
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		<title>By: Beating-Drum</title>
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		<dc:creator>Beating-Drum</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 May 2006 08:45:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It occurred to me that some of the contributors may be inclined to write to someone on Death Row. Some have no visitors, or writers at all and have been there since quite young and for several years.

If interested there are two groups that I know of Lifelines and Human Writes. Both have websites as far as I remember.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It occurred to me that some of the contributors may be inclined to write to someone on Death Row. Some have no visitors, or writers at all and have been there since quite young and for several years.</p>
<p>If interested there are two groups that I know of Lifelines and Human Writes. Both have websites as far as I remember.</p>
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		<title>By: Paul</title>
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		<dc:creator>Paul</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 23 Apr 2006 13:16:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Interesting entry. Enjoying your blog generally having come here from Steve&#039;s.

I&#039;m looking forward to you addressing the issue of the &quot;mentally impaired&quot; and the insane. I have some thoughts of my own about this having read Elaine&#039;s comments. My first thought is that the way of the world is insanity in itself, so who is to judge another insane? Which one of us has absorbed none of the insanity that the world shows us? Even my son Samuel who is not quite a year old has clearly learned some insane approaches to life from his parents.

Keep up the good work, Erin.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Interesting entry. Enjoying your blog generally having come here from Steve&#8217;s.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m looking forward to you addressing the issue of the &#8220;mentally impaired&#8221; and the insane. I have some thoughts of my own about this having read Elaine&#8217;s comments. My first thought is that the way of the world is insanity in itself, so who is to judge another insane? Which one of us has absorbed none of the insanity that the world shows us? Even my son Samuel who is not quite a year old has clearly learned some insane approaches to life from his parents.</p>
<p>Keep up the good work, Erin.</p>
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		<title>By: Erin Pavlina</title>
		<link>http://www.erinpavlina.com/blog/2006/04/why-i-deplore-the-death-penalty/comment-page-1/#comment-153</link>
		<dc:creator>Erin Pavlina</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Apr 2006 16:30:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I meant an end to physical pain.  I know suicides have a lot of work to do after they take their life.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I meant an end to physical pain.  I know suicides have a lot of work to do after they take their life.</p>
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		<title>By: sunny</title>
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		<dc:creator>sunny</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Apr 2006 16:26:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Erin, suicide is not an end to pain. People go through a cycle of births and deaths through lower life forms (according to many beliefs).SO it is not quite as simple as hitting reset. Although, according to these same beliefs, (verified by many experiences of many people) suides do get a second chance.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Erin, suicide is not an end to pain. People go through a cycle of births and deaths through lower life forms (according to many beliefs).SO it is not quite as simple as hitting reset. Although, according to these same beliefs, (verified by many experiences of many people) suides do get a second chance.</p>
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		<title>By: Tony</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tony</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Apr 2006 01:14:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I thought the &quot;eye for an eye&quot; was a limitation on what you could do to people. For instance, if someone stole your bread, you could steal their bread at most. You couldn&#039;t go to their house, burn it down and take their bread. It was regarded as a maximum limit rather than a minimum requirement. If you approach it as a max limit, you could get at most do to them what they did you to but that&#039;s it. If you approach it as a minimum requirement then you have to at the minimum do to them what they did to you.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I thought the &#8220;eye for an eye&#8221; was a limitation on what you could do to people. For instance, if someone stole your bread, you could steal their bread at most. You couldn&#8217;t go to their house, burn it down and take their bread. It was regarded as a maximum limit rather than a minimum requirement. If you approach it as a max limit, you could get at most do to them what they did you to but that&#8217;s it. If you approach it as a minimum requirement then you have to at the minimum do to them what they did to you.</p>
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		<title>By: Erin Pavlina</title>
		<link>http://www.erinpavlina.com/blog/2006/04/why-i-deplore-the-death-penalty/comment-page-1/#comment-149</link>
		<dc:creator>Erin Pavlina</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Apr 2006 16:32:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Elaine, your questions are good ones. While I hope people are never put in a position where they feel suicide is their best course, I defend people&#039;s &quot;right&quot; to commit suicide. Suicide causes spiritual problems for both the living and deceased.

Justice... I believe in restorative justice, not retibutive. For more information on that, read &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.nonviolentcommunication.com/rosenberg/marshall_rosenberg_applying_NVC.htm#restorative&quot; target=&quot;_blank&quot;&gt;this article&lt;/a&gt;:

The mentally impaired: That&#039;s a subject that would take more than a comment to address so I will add it to my list of topics to blog about. Good question though!

Also, I&#039;m not saying all criminals should be put on an island or relegated to isolation, just the very violent ones. And I think they should stay there until they can peacefully enter society once again.

The system is broken at many levels. We as a society need to address the underlying issues of why people commit crimes. We need to use our resources towards prevention, not cures. But in the meantime, we don&#039;t have the right to kill people just because we&#039;re not sure what to do with them.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Elaine, your questions are good ones. While I hope people are never put in a position where they feel suicide is their best course, I defend people&#8217;s &#8220;right&#8221; to commit suicide. Suicide causes spiritual problems for both the living and deceased.</p>
<p>Justice&#8230; I believe in restorative justice, not retibutive. For more information on that, read <a href="http://www.nonviolentcommunication.com/rosenberg/marshall_rosenberg_applying_NVC.htm#restorative" target="_blank">this article</a>:</p>
<p>The mentally impaired: That&#8217;s a subject that would take more than a comment to address so I will add it to my list of topics to blog about. Good question though!</p>
<p>Also, I&#8217;m not saying all criminals should be put on an island or relegated to isolation, just the very violent ones. And I think they should stay there until they can peacefully enter society once again.</p>
<p>The system is broken at many levels. We as a society need to address the underlying issues of why people commit crimes. We need to use our resources towards prevention, not cures. But in the meantime, we don&#8217;t have the right to kill people just because we&#8217;re not sure what to do with them.</p>
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		<title>By: Elaine</title>
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		<dc:creator>Elaine</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Apr 2006 16:08:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It bothers me to hear that you believe killing others is wrong but killing yourself is okay. What about those who opt to take their own lives when it&#039;s not their only option? &quot;Eye for an eye&quot; -- suicide hurts the victim and their loved ones. Euthanasia is another story, but then how do you define euthanasia? Is misery not worth living with a terminal disease like cancer, or like clinical depression?

And what about the clinically insane, who even in your utopia couldn&#039;t be rehabilitated? Are they locked up? Let loose on an insland with other murderers? Let loose on an uninhabited island with supplied airdropped once a month? Compassion dictates that they are taken care of, but how do you take care of somebody whose brain is flawed, who gets kicks out of torturing and killing things?

All of this leads me to yet another question -- how is a morally conscious person supposed to deal with crazy people? How should we as a society treat the people that are insane and harm others? Insane and harm themselves? Insane but harmless, like the poor souls wandering around San Francisco?

And what is your interpretation of justice? How can amends be made for different crimes? What can make up for terminating a life, sexually abusing somebody, gaining and abusing the trust of the public -- things that don&#039;t have any comparable monetary value?

And is teaching our children compassion enough to make up for not teaching them consequences? Or is it that we need to redefine suitable consequences for actions, like how you redefined &quot;eye for an eye&quot;? Which kind of goes back to -- what is justice?

I&#039;m sorry for so many questions, but I&#039;m not being facetious, I really am interested in hearing what you think, if you have the time. :&#039;(</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It bothers me to hear that you believe killing others is wrong but killing yourself is okay. What about those who opt to take their own lives when it&#8217;s not their only option? &#8220;Eye for an eye&#8221; &#8212; suicide hurts the victim and their loved ones. Euthanasia is another story, but then how do you define euthanasia? Is misery not worth living with a terminal disease like cancer, or like clinical depression?</p>
<p>And what about the clinically insane, who even in your utopia couldn&#8217;t be rehabilitated? Are they locked up? Let loose on an insland with other murderers? Let loose on an uninhabited island with supplied airdropped once a month? Compassion dictates that they are taken care of, but how do you take care of somebody whose brain is flawed, who gets kicks out of torturing and killing things?</p>
<p>All of this leads me to yet another question &#8212; how is a morally conscious person supposed to deal with crazy people? How should we as a society treat the people that are insane and harm others? Insane and harm themselves? Insane but harmless, like the poor souls wandering around San Francisco?</p>
<p>And what is your interpretation of justice? How can amends be made for different crimes? What can make up for terminating a life, sexually abusing somebody, gaining and abusing the trust of the public &#8212; things that don&#8217;t have any comparable monetary value?</p>
<p>And is teaching our children compassion enough to make up for not teaching them consequences? Or is it that we need to redefine suitable consequences for actions, like how you redefined &#8220;eye for an eye&#8221;? Which kind of goes back to &#8212; what is justice?</p>
<p>I&#8217;m sorry for so many questions, but I&#8217;m not being facetious, I really am interested in hearing what you think, if you have the time. :&#8217;(</p>
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		<title>By: Amit</title>
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		<dc:creator>Amit</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Apr 2006 10:00:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Isn&#039;t it strange that talking about sex and making love is such a taboo and yet the topic of murder and killing is so prolific in everything that we do, see and hear!  Just look at music and video games....they are filled with violence and murder which is seen as the norm and yet almost every swear word is a sexually derogatory term.  Lets try and educate people on the alternatives sooner rather than later!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Isn&#8217;t it strange that talking about sex and making love is such a taboo and yet the topic of murder and killing is so prolific in everything that we do, see and hear!  Just look at music and video games&#8230;.they are filled with violence and murder which is seen as the norm and yet almost every swear word is a sexually derogatory term.  Lets try and educate people on the alternatives sooner rather than later!</p>
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		<title>By: Alan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Alan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Apr 2006 19:23:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Good article.  I also wrote something similar over here: &lt;a href=&quot;http://spirit-blog.blogspot.com/2006/03/forgiveness.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Forgiveness&lt;/a&gt;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good article.  I also wrote something similar over here: <a href="http://spirit-blog.blogspot.com/2006/03/forgiveness.html" rel="nofollow">Forgiveness</a>.</p>
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		<title>By: Peter</title>
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		<dc:creator>Peter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Apr 2006 16:56:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well I guess the old &quot;eye for an eye&quot; is easier to accept then &quot;love your neighbour like yourself&quot; or the part about forgiveness... what was it? 99 times?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well I guess the old &#8220;eye for an eye&#8221; is easier to accept then &#8220;love your neighbour like yourself&#8221; or the part about forgiveness&#8230; what was it? 99 times?</p>
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