Comments on: Up Against the Ropes: A social psychology experiment http://www.erinpavlina.com/blog/2006/10/up-against-the-ropes/ Writings about spirituality, the paranormal, and personal development Sat, 06 Mar 2010 03:21:09 -0800 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.6 hourly 1 By: Adam’s Peace » Blog Archive » Evil http://www.erinpavlina.com/blog/2006/10/up-against-the-ropes/comment-page-1/#comment-3185 Adam’s Peace » Blog Archive » Evil Wed, 31 Jan 2007 20:36:38 +0000 http://www.erinpavlina.com/blog/2006/10/social-psychology-experiment/#comment-3185 [...] This is where the ego comes in for us. The ego is the tool that Divinity uses to identify an individual. The ego contains all of our memories and experiences. It contains our self-image, which creates our bodies and environment. It contains all of our hopes, dreams, and desires. The ego is also where we get our ‘less divine’ qualities, such as selfishness, anger, fear, and addiction. From an ego-centered perspective, only the ego and the physical reality which the ego creates is important. This is all fine and dandy, since the goal of Divinity is to experience everything. From an individual perspective, and a society perspective, however, this causes a few problems. An untrained ego can not stand to see other egos getting what they want without also getting what it wants. Erin Pavlina recently posted about a sociology experiment that demonstrates this tendency perfectly. (Up Against the Ropes) [...] [...] This is where the ego comes in for us. The ego is the tool that Divinity uses to identify an individual. The ego contains all of our memories and experiences. It contains our self-image, which creates our bodies and environment. It contains all of our hopes, dreams, and desires. The ego is also where we get our ‘less divine’ qualities, such as selfishness, anger, fear, and addiction. From an ego-centered perspective, only the ego and the physical reality which the ego creates is important. This is all fine and dandy, since the goal of Divinity is to experience everything. From an individual perspective, and a society perspective, however, this causes a few problems. An untrained ego can not stand to see other egos getting what they want without also getting what it wants. Erin Pavlina recently posted about a sociology experiment that demonstrates this tendency perfectly. (Up Against the Ropes) [...]

]]> By: Alison http://www.erinpavlina.com/blog/2006/10/up-against-the-ropes/comment-page-1/#comment-2038 Alison Tue, 31 Oct 2006 10:43:07 +0000 http://www.erinpavlina.com/blog/2006/10/social-psychology-experiment/#comment-2038 Erin I enjoy your posts, but allow me just one bit of constructive criticism-- your frequent addressing of readers as "people" such as: "That’s how this game needs to be played, people," comes across as condescending and as if you're talking down to the reader. It's offputting. I don't feel that I should be lumped into this group of "PEOPLE" that are being scolded or talked to as if they're ignorant, and that's how it comes across to me. Just my 2 cents, of course. Erin I enjoy your posts, but allow me just one bit of constructive criticism– your frequent addressing of readers as “people” such as: “That’s how this game needs to be played, people,” comes across as condescending and as if you’re talking down to the reader. It’s offputting. I don’t feel that I should be lumped into this group of “PEOPLE” that are being scolded or talked to as if they’re ignorant, and that’s how it comes across to me. Just my 2 cents, of course.

]]> By: Michele http://www.erinpavlina.com/blog/2006/10/up-against-the-ropes/comment-page-1/#comment-1860 Michele Wed, 25 Oct 2006 20:21:24 +0000 http://www.erinpavlina.com/blog/2006/10/social-psychology-experiment/#comment-1860 Wow Erin, great story of cooperation! I bet those first eight people were a little bit miffed by the fact that if they weren't so selfish then each of them could have had some points coming to them. Wow Erin, great story of cooperation! I bet those first eight people were a little bit miffed by the fact that if they weren’t so selfish then each of them could have had some points coming to them.

]]> By: Alvin http://www.erinpavlina.com/blog/2006/10/up-against-the-ropes/comment-page-1/#comment-1833 Alvin Wed, 25 Oct 2006 08:45:05 +0000 http://www.erinpavlina.com/blog/2006/10/social-psychology-experiment/#comment-1833 Sounds like a pretty nifty game, I love the way your professor used to teach his concepts! Interesting thing too, how it took a balanced group of males and females to get the exercise going in the most balanced way. Could be a little coincidence or another nice add-on to the morale of the story ;) Sounds like a pretty nifty game, I love the way your professor used to teach his concepts!

Interesting thing too, how it took a balanced group of males and females to get the exercise going in the most balanced way. Could be a little coincidence or another nice add-on to the morale of the story ;)

]]> By: J http://www.erinpavlina.com/blog/2006/10/up-against-the-ropes/comment-page-1/#comment-1821 J Tue, 24 Oct 2006 19:40:17 +0000 http://www.erinpavlina.com/blog/2006/10/social-psychology-experiment/#comment-1821 Erin, you must be reading my mind! I was just thinking about the hundreds of psych and economic experiments with the "if I don't get mine, you won't get yours even if I have to hurt myself to stop you" theme. One of my favorites is the dollar auction experiment. A lot of people like prisioner's dilemna. These sort of things make me wonder if we are "hard-wired" to fail at exacting revenge or if we become particularly irrational when thinking in revenge like terms. I think it's irronic that something so fundamentally human is hidden in so many scholarly tomes. The things we would change if there were mass consciousness of it . . . Erin, you must be reading my mind! I was just thinking about the hundreds of psych and economic experiments with the “if I don’t get mine, you won’t get yours even if I have to hurt myself to stop you” theme. One of my favorites is the dollar auction experiment. A lot of people like prisioner’s dilemna.

These sort of things make me wonder if we are “hard-wired” to fail at exacting revenge or if we become particularly irrational when thinking in revenge like terms. I think it’s irronic that something so fundamentally human is hidden in so many scholarly tomes. The things we would change if there were mass consciousness of it . . .

]]> By: Amit http://www.erinpavlina.com/blog/2006/10/up-against-the-ropes/comment-page-1/#comment-1816 Amit Tue, 24 Oct 2006 15:12:03 +0000 http://www.erinpavlina.com/blog/2006/10/social-psychology-experiment/#comment-1816 Great story Erin! I might try this too with the kids I work with. Great story Erin! I might try this too with the kids I work with.

]]> By: Mika Perälä http://www.erinpavlina.com/blog/2006/10/up-against-the-ropes/comment-page-1/#comment-1813 Mika Perälä Tue, 24 Oct 2006 12:10:30 +0000 http://www.erinpavlina.com/blog/2006/10/social-psychology-experiment/#comment-1813 Aaah! Thanks Erin! That story helped me meet my need for hope of everyones needs getting met! The thought is so much shared in Nonviolent Communication (NVC), that when someones needs are met, they are happy to contribute to others. And that's the kind of world I'm striving for (and many times failing miserably, but I'll get up every time, a little stronger!). Thanks for sharing! Now I feel much more happier than moments ago :D Aaah! Thanks Erin! That story helped me meet my need for hope of everyones needs getting met! The thought is so much shared in Nonviolent Communication (NVC), that when someones needs are met, they are happy to contribute to others. And that’s the kind of world I’m striving for (and many times failing miserably, but I’ll get up every time, a little stronger!).

Thanks for sharing! Now I feel much more happier than moments ago :D

]]> By: Ross H http://www.erinpavlina.com/blog/2006/10/up-against-the-ropes/comment-page-1/#comment-1811 Ross H Tue, 24 Oct 2006 08:58:29 +0000 http://www.erinpavlina.com/blog/2006/10/social-psychology-experiment/#comment-1811 Brilliant, thanks for that. Brilliant, thanks for that.

]]> By: pilar http://www.erinpavlina.com/blog/2006/10/up-against-the-ropes/comment-page-1/#comment-1798 pilar Tue, 24 Oct 2006 02:23:33 +0000 http://www.erinpavlina.com/blog/2006/10/social-psychology-experiment/#comment-1798 ahh, thanks... i needed that just then. what a relief to put down the rope! ahh, thanks… i needed that just then.
what a relief to put down the rope!

]]> By: Nneka http://www.erinpavlina.com/blog/2006/10/up-against-the-ropes/comment-page-1/#comment-1796 Nneka Tue, 24 Oct 2006 00:44:10 +0000 http://www.erinpavlina.com/blog/2006/10/social-psychology-experiment/#comment-1796 Great story and example! I'm going to try it with my youth group. A great way to explain synergy and abundance versus on your own thinking. Great story and example! I’m going to try it with my youth group.

A great way to explain synergy and abundance versus on your own thinking.

]]> By: gr8face http://www.erinpavlina.com/blog/2006/10/up-against-the-ropes/comment-page-1/#comment-1794 gr8face Mon, 23 Oct 2006 22:48:19 +0000 http://www.erinpavlina.com/blog/2006/10/social-psychology-experiment/#comment-1794 Ahh, what a Utopia this would be if we all played the game that way. A lot less stress for sure. Ahh, what a Utopia this would be if we all played the game that way. A lot less stress for sure.

]]> By: Mike http://www.erinpavlina.com/blog/2006/10/up-against-the-ropes/comment-page-1/#comment-1788 Mike Mon, 23 Oct 2006 17:19:40 +0000 http://www.erinpavlina.com/blog/2006/10/social-psychology-experiment/#comment-1788 Erin, Expertly told reminder of the difference between scarcity and abundance mentalities...and you're right that we need to work to maintain the latter! Mike Erin,

Expertly told reminder of the difference between scarcity and abundance mentalities…and you’re right that we need to work to maintain the latter!

Mike

]]> By: Khristine http://www.erinpavlina.com/blog/2006/10/up-against-the-ropes/comment-page-1/#comment-1781 Khristine Mon, 23 Oct 2006 14:05:55 +0000 http://www.erinpavlina.com/blog/2006/10/social-psychology-experiment/#comment-1781 Erin, I love the way you use these little thought provoking items from your personal life. Please keep them coming. (I also love what you've done to your home page.) Erin, I love the way you use these little thought provoking items from your personal life. Please keep them coming. (I also love what you’ve done to your home page.)

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